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Posted by: ybdogsct 1 month, 1 week agoMcCain aired the first real negative ad of the 2008 general-election. McCain accuses Obama of 3 offenses: he "never held Senate a hearing on Afghanistan"; he "hasn't been to Iraq in years"; and he "vot[ed] against troop funding." While the complaints sound damning when simplified, they crumble upon closer examination.
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ybdogsct1 month, 1 week ago
http://mediamatters.org/items/200807180013
"In the new negative ad which will run in battleground states while Obama is abroad, McCain accuses Obama of 'voting against funding our troops,' but McCain himself 'voted against funding our troops' when he voted against legislation that would have provided funds for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and directed more than $1 billion to the Department of Veterans Affairs, as well as other legislation funding care for veterans." "Obama did vote against a 2007 war-funding bill because he registering an objection to legislation that 'lacked a timetable for troop withdrawal'--a position that arguably means he was more concerned about troop well-being, not less."
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Locky121 month, 1 week ago
Hey, Pathetic.
Obama did vote against a 2007 war-funding bill because he registering an objection to legislation that 'lacked a timetable for troop withdrawal'--a position that arguably means he was more concerned about troop well-being, not less."
And as that timetable winded down, what exactly do you think the enemy would do? Blow kisses at our troops?
You faint whenever you see an image of Barry Obama, don't you?
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ybdogsct1 month, 1 week ago
LOCKY:
"And as that timetable winded down, what exactly do you think the enemy would do? Blow kisses at our troops?"
You mean the same timetable Bush just agreed to? The same timetable that flip-flop McCain last week blasted but this week supports?
LOL.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/0...
"The Obama campaign welcomed comments by Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki supporting Sen. Barack Obama's proposed 16-month timetable for withdrawal from Iraq.
Asked when most U.S. troops would leave Iraq, Maliki said: 'As soon as possible, as far as we're concerned. U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama talks about 16 months. That, we think, would be the right timeframe for a withdrawal, with the possibility of slight changes. Those who operate on the premise of short time periods in Iraq today are being more realistic. Artificially prolonging the tenure of US troops in Iraq would cause problems.'"
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ybdogsct1 month, 1 week ago
"The Obama campaign issued a memo to reporters, 'Obama Leading on Foreign Policy, McCain Following':
There are two problems with John McCain's political attacks on Barack Obama's foreign policy. First, Barack Obama made the right judgment and John McCain has sided with George Bush in making the wrong one [in starting the Iraq War in the first place]. Second, the failure of the McCain-Bush foreign policy has forced John McCain to change his position, and to embrace the very same Obama approaches that he once attacked.
Just this week, Senator McCain has been forced by events to switch to Barack Obama's position on two fundamental issues: more troops in Afghanistan, and more diplomacy with Iran.
The next shift appears to be Iraq. For months, Senator McCain has called any plan to redeploy our troops from Iraq 'surrender.' Now, Bush is embracing the negotiation of troop withdrawals with the Iraqi government - a position that Senator Obama called for last September."
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tiredofwhiners1 month, 1 week ago
Arguably he voted against the funding and has presented himself (until recently) as having been against the war since the beginning. If you're against a war you don't fund it at all. He didn't get the timetable he wanted and so you use that to excuse his voting against it. Having a timetable is well known to be a signal to the enemy to wait until that time, and is always a big no-no in any war. Obama is scary to me if responsible for anything to do with dealing with enemies, and there are plenty of enemies of freedom out there. Nobody is against the welfare of the troops.
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ybdogsct1 month, 1 week ago
TIRED:
"If you're against a war you don't fund it at all. He didn't get the timetable he wanted and so you use that to excuse his voting against it."
Using your own tortured logic, the converse should also be true. "If you're for war, then you always vote in favor of funding it." It's laughable how your double-standards would condemn Obama, while excusing McCain:
FROM THE ARTICLE:
"In the new negative ad which will run in battleground states while Obama is abroad, McCain accuses Obama of 'voting against funding our troops,' but McCain himself 'voted against funding our troops' when he voted against legislation that would have provided funds for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and directed more than $1 billion to the Department of Veterans Affairs, as well as other legislation funding care for veterans."
Spare me your hypocritical partisan double-standards.
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tiredofwhiners1 month, 1 week ago
The ads are truthful, not negative. I have seen political ads, in Presidential and all other elections, since 1962. The Democrats win the dirty and negative ads contest hands down. I remember voting for the loser, Goldwater in 1964. They had ads showing atomic bombs going off!!! (WWIII) and portraying him as trigger happy! Look who we got, LBJ and Vietnam. In recent years the dirty ads by Dems have gotten worse. We will see who wins the neg ad contest this year. Think about this: What truly major conflict will arise in the future if Obama gets in and he just gives up on every threat that arises.
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ybdogsct1 month, 1 week ago
TIRED:
"The Democrats win the dirty and negative ads contest hands down."
You obviously don't remember what happened to McCain in the South Carolina 2000 primary against Bush.
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opin...
"Anonymous opponents used push polling to suggest that McCain's Bangladeshi born daughter was his own, illegitimate black child. Bob Jones University professor Richard Hand sent an e-mail to 'fellow South Carolinians' stating that McCain had 'chosen to sire children without marriage.'
http://www.bartcopnation.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=...
"Bush Supporters Called McCain 'The Fag Candidate.' In South Carolina, Bush supporters circulated church fliers that labeled McCain 'the fag candidate.'"
"Among the rumors circulated was that McCain was both gay and cheated on his wife, and that his wife Cindy was a drug addict."
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ybdogsct1 month, 1 week ago
"Using the code word "temper," a group of Senate Republicans, and at least some outriders of the George W. Bush campaign, are spreading the word that John McCain is unstable."
"Some of George W. Bush's supporters have questioned Republican presidential candidate John McCain's fitness for the White House, suggesting that his five years as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam drove him insane at the time."
"Bush supporters in South Carolina made race-baiting phone calls saying that McCain had an illegitimate 'black child.' The McCains' daughter, Bridget, was adopted from Mother Teresa's orphanage in Bangladesh."
"Rove spread rumors against McCain, such as 'suggestions that McCain had committed treason while a prisoner of war, and had fathered a child by a black prostitute'"
"Sampleyâ;¦ accused McCain of being a weak-minded coward who had escaped death by collaborating with the enemy."
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SwampFox-82nd2 weeks, 5 days ago
My cool friend, First forgive the late response. Had to do a sys-restore on my little Swamp-Buggy...not once, but twice. My mentor at PSU once suggested that I count the number of negative ads. She believed that when folks start "low-boarding" they are really saying they have nothing to say good about themselves!!! That's been a hall-mark of Republican thinking. They throw a bunch of negatives and hope one or more will take Barack Obama off the real issues long enough for them to think of anything McCain might have done good in his years in the senate. Poor McCain is much like our beloved prez: he has alzheimers, dementia, or just shot-the-hell out of his POW-aged mind. The reason he blew that maverick dude out of the water, was his power-brokers are making very-big, big-bucks in Iraq. I still want to know the names of those 156 senators and congress-folk who have invested in Halliburton, and Blackwater. If those clowns what to make money, they can find another damned job! They are NOT supposed to make profit from wars, take gifts from contractors, and/or laundering money! That's against the law. Now, where the hell are our Constitution AND Bill of Rights?
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And the Pentagon still cannot balance their own books. They claimed they don't know where 25% of the money we give them to protect our own patriotic asses.
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ybdogsct1 month, 1 week ago
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/07...
McCain also accuses Obama of Sen. Barack Obama 'never holding a single Senate hearing on Afghanistan.'
But "Sen. John McCain has attended even fewer Afghanistan-related Senate hearings over the past 2 years than Obama.
Meanwhile, Obama attended the full Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing on Afghanistan in March 2007. But McCain was a no-show. Since 2006, the Senate Armed Services Committee has held 6 hearings to oversee U.S. troops in Afghanistan. McCain, the top Republican on the Armed Service Committee, missed them all.
The findings are surprising given the fact that the McCain campaign loudly criticized Obama for failing to schedule any hearings on Afghanistan in the last year and a half.
'It is time for us to hold a hearing on the
Afghanistan mission,' Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) a McCain surrogate who most recently attacked Obama over Afghanistan, also didn't attend any hearings on Afghanistan."
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ybdogsct1 month, 1 week ago
http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/...
"Finally, McCain says Obama hasn't visited Iraq since 2006. He's right, but congressional travel doesn't always offer the most accurate (or revealing) view of a war zone. Take McCain's April 1, 2007 trip to Baghdad. At the time, McCain claimed that his stroll through an open-air market proved that people could now "walk freely" through the city. But it was later reported that the candidate wore a flak jacket and received protection from 100 soldiers, 3 Blackhawk helicopters and 4 Apache gunships; snipers returned the next day and murdered a few Shiite merchants. Second, Obama is already planning do this summer what McCain has said he should do--that is, visit Iraq.
McCain is trying to frame Obama as a know-nothing foreign-policy novice maneuvering for maximum political gain. But by choosing to focus 'Troop Funding' on matters of symbolism rather than substance, he doesn't really make it."
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Teech1 month, 1 week ago
Oh, John, poor John. A mind is a terrible thing to lose. It happens with senility.
A Navy man NEVER forgets - never throw the slop bucket over the windward side of the ship.
Ooooops, John, you did it again. Keep the negative ads coming, you drooling, old fool. Have you got your Swift Boat spot ready? It worked for your mentor, Dumbya, and maybe it will work for you.
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SwampFox-82nd2 weeks, 5 days ago
Cool Teech, it is always good to read someone's post who took the time to do their homework. America seems to think our leaders don't get nasty th'angs like alzheimers, dementia, strokes, and heart attacks. I recall some dude who fooled America for some four-years that he had alzheimers. The "great communicator" I think they called him. He couldn't have set-up the deal with Iran. Dude's an actor, not a planner. That was the quiet work of his daddy's expertise. Baby Bush hasn't made any decisions, except his booze, "nose-toys," and A-A meetings. That's rinny-chin Cheney's forte.
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If Republicans can read the written word, they too can explore the wide world of the web. Why, they might even learn why they let two Texicans clean their financial clock, while laughing all the way to their local off-shore banks... I think they will feel just as pissed as we are. There's always hope...
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quackpot1 month, 1 week ago
Since the pro-McCain vote is vanishingly small, McCain's only hope is to rally the anti-Obama forces.
I have a feeling that the election will not be about which candidate will make an excellent President, but rather which candidate is least associated with Bush's disaster.
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SwampFox-82nd2 weeks, 5 days ago
GW, do you remember all that political nonsense about Swift-Boat Vets for Bush? Isn't it ironic that the military folks in Houston...Bush's Bosses, "lost" his DD-214? A DD-214 is the military track record of every thing he did while serving. When he was there, why he was there...or not. Funny, know the mathematical odds of them losing the president's only DD-214? The dude might still be AWOL. There is no statute of limitation for AWOL; fact is, he might now be classified as a deserter. That's very bad for all the men and women who serve in these united states. A deserter who now commands every Tom, ****, and Mary in the military? Come to think of it, they' just might find his patriotic DD-214 with Kennedy's x-rays and brain. Will wonders eer' cease?
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CHAM1 month, 1 week ago
Lets see they complain about Obama not visiting, they complain about Obama visiting, they complain about Obama not attending sessions they themselves don't attend.
Ghee Whiz? I'll bet the thing they intend to complain about the most is that Obama is breathing ( their air of course).
I know of the corruption of McCain
I know McCain is the re-incarnation of Bush
I know America doesn't need four more years of the last eight.
Is there something else I need to know, to know who not to vote for?
I will not vote for McCain.
Promise!
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SwampFox-82nd2 weeks, 5 days ago
Got that right, Cham! The only thing they'll find, if they find anything at all, is that great track-record he doesn't what us to see. Not speaking in anger, but please do remember, if they voted for Nixon and (Spiro T.) Agnew AND Bush and Rinny-Chined Cheney, they could just vote for an ex-felon? A baby-boinker (Pedafile)? A murderer?
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When you run for any political position, your resume should contain all pertinent information as to the worthiness of your character and skills. Being a prev does not rank high on resumes.
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LumFan1 month, 1 week ago
And if Obama had taken as many trips to Iraq as McCain had? Then the ad would have berated Obama for wasting tax dollars for the extra security that would be necessary for someone of his stature. And if his subcommittee had held a number of hearings? Once again, wasting taxpayer dollars on nonsense.
McCain is rolling in hypocrisy.
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ML20071 month, 1 week ago
McCain and his Fascists cohorts are desperate to keep their strangle hold on the George W. Bush legacy they covet.
They CANNOT possibly win on issues, so personal attacks WILL be the order of the whole campaign. How do I know, because John McCain said, "I am John McCain, and I approve of this message." Yes, a vote for Flip Flop John is a vote for George W's legacy. Four more years of George equals voting for McCain. The more they use negative adds this election, the bigger the landslide will be for an Obama win. We the People will no longer consider the lying Fascists who do not have our individual liberties at heart. That particularly includes John McCain who believes in taking our rights away through habeas corpus, torture, and wiretapping. McCain's negative accusations ring hollow when you consider he was a POW in the only war we officially lost. So, where is all that leadership quality and experience you say you posses, John? How many hearings have you held?
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ML20071 month, 1 week ago
tiredofweiners, Dictionary definition of Fascist: one who believes in a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual. Let's see, why did GWB suspend Habeas Corpus? Why is he wiretapping? Why did he support state sponsored torture? Why does John McCain support all these same views? Is it because they believe they are doing things for the benefit of the nation instead of the individual? hmmmmm sounds just like the definition of fascism to me.
Now, just how could I possibly be a fascist when I totally support the Constitution of the US? I have never believed in any of those tyrannical fascist misgivings of state torture, suspending habeas corpus, or wiretapping private citizens for any reason, 9/11 or not.
So, tiredofweiners, where do you stand on these issues? Are these the ones McCain is going to win on? LOL
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tiredofwhiners1 month, 1 week ago
Hold tight to your beliefs. If the ad is negative, studies have shown that they work in every campaign. Look to Obama to bring out plenty of negative ads. I thought the ad I saw a while ago was the most obviously negative of all, where a woman with a baby is asking if McCain wants her baby for the war (i.e. when he gets old enough). She says you can't have him. First of all the military is voluntary and secondly in 18 years it's likely terrorism will be defeated unless the likes of Obama gets in. Then we will have rampant terrorism and challenges to freedom. Either fight it or die in the future (your children and grandchildren).
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ybdogsct1 month, 1 week ago
TIRED:
"Hold tight to your beliefs. If the ad is negative, studies have shown that they work in every campaign."
Studies have also shown that this campaign has been anomalous, in that negative ads against Obama seem to have BACKFIRED against their accusers (a la Hillary & Bill Clinton).
http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2007/12/ob...
"Going negative could backfire on Clinton"
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tiredofwhiners1 month, 1 week ago
Any similarity between your reality and the rest of the baby boomers reality is purely coincidental.
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SwampFox-82nd2 weeks, 5 days ago
Sweet Sister, so very happy to see your smiling face! I thought perhaps my breath was bad? What none of these "learned folk" missed was the CIA released the truth about Vietnam. There was never a shot fired in the bay of Tonka; they made a boo-boo. Some CIA report was "falsified" leading congress to vote for armed combatants in Vietnam, called the "Bay Of Tonka Resolution." Perhaps by the very same CIA nut-sucking operative that made that boo-boo about "mushroom clouds" and "yellow-cake" and pipes for toilets or mufflers for their camel-buggies or something.
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Say, sweet, what would be the mathematical odds of the same CIA-clown writing two falsified reports, that dragged our mighty military into two wars? Don't they want to know who that clown is? Please note not one curse-word? Decided if I can't post something nice about a post, not to say anything. Even those morons who've never served in Vietnam and Iraq, but think our local politicos know what the hell they're doing over there -- and why...
Hug that stump-jumper, for me. My thought are always with you guys.
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Gransater1 month, 1 week ago
Personaly I'm tired of this whole process. Not only has it been going on long enough, but it has reduced one of the most important decisions a citizen can make in this great country to the level of deciding what soap to buy.
When a candidate finally reaches the W.H. his/hers reputation has been shot so full of holes that the due respect inherent for position is just about vanished. Its to a degree dividing the country domestically, and on the international arena, rather than showing us as the open and united society we really are, we are projecting an image of fragmentation and discord.
This process also has a tendency of favoring individuals with a thick skin, good talkers and self centered qualities. Not that these are bad for the position, but other better qualified individuals with other attributes are falling by the wayside, or not even trying. Our presidency should not be for sale to the person with the most soundbites.
Its time to find alternative means of selection.
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ybdogsct1 month, 1 week ago
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/07...
"'Obama is chairman of the Subcommittee on European Affairs. Under my chairmanship the Foreign Relations Committee has addressed most Afghanistan issues at the Full Committee level,' JosephBiden wrote. 'I believe that this is the best way of ensuring the most comprehensive examination of the complex issues involved, and of ensuring the highest-level Administration participation. We have held 3 Full Committee hearings in the last 22 months. At my request, Senator Obama chaired the confirmation hearing for our next ambassador to NATO, which he focused on NATO's mission in Afghanistan.'"
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ybdogsct1 month, 1 week ago
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/07...
"'Obama has displayed great leadership on this issue: he called nearly a year ago for the deployment of at least 2 additional combat brigades to Afghanistan - it has since become the accepted position of a wide range of U.S. military officials, including the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.'
The issue of how many hearings have been held will become a prickly one if Senator Jim DeMint (R-SC) a McCain surrogate, pursues it. Sen. McCain has skipped nearly every Armed Services Committee Hearing even though he is the ranking member. And Sen. DeMint skipped the one hearing Obama did chair to consider some executive nominations."
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tchef1 month, 1 week ago
You are the man ybdogsct!! Keep hitting them with the facts. The best thing we can do is to constantly remind the Republicans who put this country in the position it is in.
The Republicans had total control for 6 years and look what they have done. Ruined just about everything that they have touched.
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tiredofwhiners1 month, 1 week ago
Democrats records: Wilson - WWI, Roosevelt - 8 years of the Great Depression, then WWII (100's of thousands of American troops died), Truman - Dropping nukes on Japan, the Korean War, JFK and LBJ - the Vietnam War, the disastrous "Great Society", Carter - gas shortages, high inflation, double digit interest rates, Americans held hostage in Iran for 444 days, Clinton - Forced by Republican congress to cut spending, scandals, nothing done about Islamo-fascist terrorism, Obama - ???
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ybdogsct1 month, 1 week ago
TIRED:
"Democrats records: Wilson - WWI, Roosevelt - 8 years of the Great Depression, then WWII (100's of thousands of American troops died)"
Actually, Roosevelt is CONSISTENTLY considered to be one of our greatest presidents, and Bush's presidency is often considered to be a failure.
http://www.microsoftencarta.org/encnet/features...
"Three presidents consistently top the charts (and the bottom-crawlers remain constant too). Again and again, scholars have reached consensus on Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, and Franklin Delano Roosevelt as the greatest presidents."
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2008/04/hbc-9000...
History News Network's poll of 109 historians found that 61% of them rank Bush as 'worst ever' among U.S. presidents. 96% place the Bush presidency in the bottom tier of American presidencies. 98% label his presidency a 'failure.'"
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tchef1 month, 1 week ago
This country was in much better shape when Clinton left it. If it weren't for his despicable personal conduct he would number among one of the better presidents in history. He worked with the Republican congress and balanced the budget. Look what Bush has done. Started a war based on lies, ruined the economy , allowed the person responsible for the worst attack on US soil to remain free while he turned his attention to another war.
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SwampFox-82nd2 weeks, 5 days ago
I do like the way you cook, my friend. Sadly, we gotta' remember they thought Nixon and Spiro T. could walk on water, and save democracy from the mongoloids. What ever the hell they are. They anything like gargoyles? Haven't got a boy-toy between themselves to say dumb-ass?
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When it comes it remembering, our Republicans seem to be right about three-years. Beyond that, they clear their multitasking minds of everything (so they won't be swayed by memories, and other dumb-stuff like truth).
If I posted something bad, please forgive my fried-brain. It doesn't look like I did, but you can never tell about stroke-folk...
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SwampFox-82nd2 weeks, 5 days ago
Does that mean I have to get intimate with them? Dude, they are sadly about as smart as that poor guy who stuck his finger in a dyke, and pretty? They look more like my jack-ass in Florida, than any pin-up. Would you get touchy-feely with J. Edgar Hoover? Dressed-up in womens' underwear? I've seen alligator-gars that look sexier.
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ybdogsct1 month, 1 week ago
TIRED:
"This article is in itself a negative ad against McCain"
Wrong again.
1) It's a neutral correction, not a negative one.
http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/...
2) It's NOT an "advertisement," like the one McCain produced, paid for, and released while Obama was overseas.
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